Curse

Cador · Feb 20, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by beetlebomb

You can't lose if you never had a chance at winning. Take a good hard look around and you will find I am not the only person who feels this way. I am one of the few who has the guts to stand up and say something about it. Posts like yours and other derogatory ones in this thread show that you and others like you are the ones who need to grow up. As I have stated earlier, it doesn't effect my ability or willingness to play this game in the least. I feel I am justified in my irritation with anet for the snub they threw at the playerbase during this event.

You make it seem like Anet was particularly making an impossible game. Ofcourse some people cheated but not many of the top 100 did i was in races with 15-20 of the top 100 races and it was intense but I can see they got lucky getting super rollerbeetle on a lot of upgrades and some echos, it was insane to watch them and the closest i could get was 467900 But it is luck that manages to win it for you.

Snub they threw at the player base? they threw nothing at the playerbase the fact that you Weren't lucky enough to win a rollerbeatle does not mean that the whole playerbase got smacked in the face. Some feel that way but i personally see no justification as to why they do. its a matter of luck and GW has never been about gear. You get no advantages to having a rollerbeatle just a few extra pixels following you around.

GG
~Cador~

KESKI · Feb 20, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Blackest Rose

Typical PVP elitist attitude - FTL.

To get all the ingredients for all the 5 meals by any single person takes at least a day minimum.

Did you read my post? - I'm not complaining that people got a cool mini-pet for racing - but that there was absolutely no-where near any equivalent kind of rarity pet for PVE and getting all ingredients.

I don't even have any problem with rollerbeetle having the rarest pets.
But there's a huge difference between a pig mini-pet which everyone has and a mini-beetle.

Yes PVE got screwed by not having any way to distingush the individual player whereas PVP did through racing.

Badly thought out IMO.

Actualy....from what I know from guildi, friends and myself it should take about 4~5 hours max, less if you dont do it alone for all 22 items...unless you dont know where to look(but I am sure everyone here know wiki by now

) or want more then 1 each. The rarest drop is edon web and even that shouldnt take more then 5 run of ROF....unless you die before killing all spider that is

(ya tuffle and mole are tricky too

but they can be found close to town and outpost)
Now....What is the average time one spend to reach top 100??
I being trying after I did all other mission once and get all 22 item....so about 8+ hours, and I didnt made it in to top 100

so...ya I dont see a point to complain about how much "time" and work you spend. TOP 100 in thousands or more players....does this sound less work to you??
In one hand I agree, mini pig should be given to those who made all 5 dish, not the "district", simply because my dislike for free-loader and afker

But I have to admit, seeing that "help for the pigless" post made me feel heart-warming.

scyfer · Feb 20, 2007, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by Solveig Ikram

Seeing as lots of ppl are complaining about ppl cheating and gaining unfair advantages, i'd just like to say that maybe the biggest disadvantage the losers had was a much higher ping.

That is exactly, 100% right. Try entering the race with multiple accounts + friends all on high speed connections - I bet your ping would be better than average!

Cador · Feb 20, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by beetlebomb

Cador, then we can respectfully agree to disagree and leave it at that. You won't win me to your side by calling me a sore loser, and I certainly can't win you to mine by voicing public opinion.

You represent the whole 2000000 voices of GW o_O.

Cador · Feb 20, 2007, 06:18 PM // 18:18

"voicing public opinion."

gg

Cador · Feb 20, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

If that is your choice it sounds like a good idea, however I will still voice my opinion, however, not for the sole purpose of conflict

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FeroxC · Feb 20, 2007, 06:47 PM // 18:47

The winners must of just practised a hell of alot, maybe abit of join spiking as well but mostly practise.

I mean i got an echo - super beetle and then ANOTHER super beetle in one race totalling 3 super beetles and i didnt even hit 450. I knew the track but not the best places to trigger my skills and avoid getting knocked down.
If a high score got luck like i had i can only imagine the score he could of got. Its definetly not just luck.

The one thing i dont admire is pros competing against eachother and filling the top 100 with multiple high scores, i dont care if it was a 1 on 1 competition to get the top score. Thanks to you people missed out on a hard earned prize when you already had one.
Selfish.

Gli · Feb 20, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by FeroxC

The one thing i dont admire is pros competing against eachother and filling the top 100 with multiple high scores, i dont care if it was a 1 on 1 competition to get the top score. Thanks to you people missed out on a hard earned prize when you already had one.
Selfish.

Well, see, even though I hardly did any racing at all because it wasn't my thing, I have to call BS here.

You're telling people to stop having fun and competing because ANet didn't really think the leaderboard through very well? Selfish right back at you. (Unless you're talking about the people participating on multiple accounts, you're not really clear on that. Those guys are the lowest of the low.)

Sir Skullcrasher · Feb 20, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Without special prize in this case.. a mini roller beetle. Would we be arguing who is the top 100 winners? Would we be having this discussion about how they become the top 100? I mean, the fastest I gotten on there (only got super beetle twice out of 20 races) is 426.00. If the special prize was like a mini pig or something else that isn't as rare as say a mini roller beetle. Would we be fighting right now? I think later on, A-Net will have more mini pet coming out. From reading Guildwiki, the current mini pets is in series one, so there will be series two and three later on. Maybe we'll be getting another kind of roller beetle soon for our second birthday.

Dragou Du Porzan · Feb 20, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by FeroxC

The one thing i dont admire is pros competing against eachother and filling the top 100 with multiple high scores, i dont care if it was a 1 on 1 competition to get the top score. Thanks to you people missed out on a hard earned prize when you already had one.
Selfish.

I just want to point out that people just outside of the top 100 are expected to be getting beetles soon. That was my understanding from the beginning, which is why I kept racing after I got my top 100 score. So multiple entries by a single person shouldn't keep anyone from getting the beetle they deserve.

And speaking of deserving a beetle... here's yet another strong hope that namkey gets his just deserts!

Free Runner · Feb 20, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

The Greased Lightning mini pet does look very cool. I saw one rolling after a player shortly after the races finished and i was laughing for awhile.Congratulations to those players who earned the Mini GL without having to cheat.

I notice Anet basing the pet off the NPC bug allows room in the 2nd Birthday Present series for a Rock/Rain Beetle mini pet

EDIT: Out of interest does the GL mini pet make the Beetle sound outside in EA?

Sir Skullcrasher · Feb 20, 2007, 08:27 PM // 20:27

They makes noise?

Yichi · Feb 20, 2007, 08:32 PM // 20:32

OK Honestly from reading through all 7 pages of this now, this is complete crap. so what you all are saying is that EVERYONE who participated in the Rollerbeetle races should have a minipet. umm no, youre dead wrong. it was designed as a competitive event. so does this mean that all the guilds participating in the celestial tournament should get a cape trim? if anet did that 90% of the top pvp community wouldnt even play because there would be no point. Youre asking the same thing to be done to this little mini ladder because you werent good enough to get your prize. boo hoo.

Anyone, after the first event, could find out how to get a pig, so dont give me this bullshit that you HAD to spend all weekend farming the items. I asked around in towns to find out what was needed. since i wasnt goign to have a whole lot of time to participate in the events. i found out in 5 minutes that i had to find a district that had all the items. lucky the district i was in said that there was a guild that had all the items that was hanging out in that district and said that they would get free pigs for everyone. so i pretty much got a pig by trying to learn something... imagine that. Its amazing what a little research can do for you....

It was a players choice as to what they focused on and what they decided to do over the event. There was not anything saying that you had to race only or farm items only, the events are to be enjoyed by everyone in their own way. There was a little NPC and also anet even made a comment about giving prizes to the top 100, so therefore if you didnt compete, ITS YOUR OWN FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!

edit: yes i did compete in the rollerbeetle races and no i didnt get a rollerbeetle. i had a top score until the last day when the frenzy of racing began for top scores. am i pissed off and demanding i get one, i could honestly care less. i have enough minipets.

Sir Skullcrasher · Feb 20, 2007, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

OK Honestly from reading through all 7 pages of this now, this is complete crap. so what you all are saying is that EVERYONE who participated in the Rollerbeetle races should have a minipet. umm no, youre dead wrong. it was designed as a competitive event. so does this mean that all the guilds participating in the celestial tournament should get a cape trim? if anet did that 90% of the top pvp community wouldnt even play because there would be no point. Youre asking the same thing to be done to this little mini ladder because you werent good enough to get your prize. boo hoo.

Anyone, after the first event, could find out how to get a pig, so dont give me this bullshit that you HAD to spend all weekend farming the items. I asked around in towns to find out what was needed. since i wasnt goign to have a whole lot of time to participate in the events. i found out in 5 minutes that i had to find a district that had all the items. lucky the district i was in said that there was a guild that had all the items that was hanging out in that district and said that they would get free pigs for everyone. so i pretty much got a pig by trying to learn something... imagine that. Its amazing what a little research can do for you....

It was a players choice as to what they focused on and what they decided to do over the event. There was not anything saying that you had to race only or farm items only, the events are to be enjoyed by everyone in their own way. There was a little NPC and also anet even made a comment about giving prizes to the top 100, so therefore if you didnt compete, ITS YOUR OWN FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!

edit: yes i did compete in the rollerbeetle races and no i didnt get a rollerbeetle. i had a top score until the last day when the frenzy of racing began for top scores. am i pissed off and demanding i get one, i could honestly care less. i have enough minipets.

Hehehhehe calm down MistressYichi, I had to agree with you. Why are we being pissed off or mad that we ALL didn't get a GL mini pet? I mean that is like saying one person won the lottery in California than everyone here in the state of California should win it too. That is just wrong way of thinking, it's competitive event and peoples are fighting to win the top spot. Kind of like the Superbowl. You can't say the Bears should be Co-Champion since they got their ass handed to by the Colts.

Lets all calm down and think about it.

Omega X · Feb 20, 2007, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

OK Honestly from reading through all 7 pages of this now, this is complete crap. so what you all are saying is that EVERYONE who participated in the Rollerbeetle races should have a minipet. umm no, youre dead wrong. it was designed as a competitive event. so does this mean that all the guilds participating in the celestial tournament should get a cape trim? if anet did that 90% of the top pvp community wouldnt even play because there would be no point. Youre asking the same thing to be done to this little mini ladder because you werent good enough to get your prize. boo hoo.

Anyone, after the first event, could find out how to get a pig, so dont give me this bullshit that you HAD to spend all weekend farming the items. I asked around in towns to find out what was needed. since i wasnt goign to have a whole lot of time to participate in the events. i found out in 5 minutes that i had to find a district that had all the items. lucky the district i was in said that there was a guild that had all the items that was hanging out in that district and said that they would get free pigs for everyone. so i pretty much got a pig by trying to learn something... imagine that. Its amazing what a little research can do for you....

It was a players choice as to what they focused on and what they decided to do over the event. There was not anything saying that you had to race only or farm items only, the events are to be enjoyed by everyone in their own way. There was a little NPC and also anet even made a comment about giving prizes to the top 100, so therefore if you didnt compete, ITS YOUR OWN FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!

edit: yes i did compete in the rollerbeetle races and no i didnt get a rollerbeetle. i had a top score until the last day when the frenzy of racing began for top scores. am i pissed off and demanding i get one, i could honestly care less. i have enough minipets.

Wow, nice generalization. Thumbs up.

I read the same 7 pages and there were only a handful who said/agreed that.

The most of the rest was about how some cheated their way to the top.

To tell you the truth, I can't blame those who cheated their way to the top. The exploit was there, no one stopped them or even attempted to report it. Anet more than likely didn't catch it since it wasn't in the Traditional GvG ladder. The work:reward ratio in GW was obviously busted from jump so you can't really say work for it and expect an equal chance. So if you can't beat em', join em'.

Yes it stinks, but what can you do?

It might sound pessimistic, but its just the realization I came to after playing this game for over 19 months. Hell, I'm not even mad at the exploiting capitalists in the game anymore.

raven214 · Feb 21, 2007, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by Navaros

In other words, playing the game "normally as intended" means one would never get anywhere close the top 100 unless he had a miraculous run with no enemy player hitting him, which is close to impossible to do "normally".

My point is the core problem is with the design of the scoring system moreso than of players having the foresight to succeed despite the deeply flawed scoring system.

Agreed 100%. The big problem I had with the rollerbeatle racing was the scoring system. People are always going to find exploits and, well, exploit them, but it seems ANet gave this fact no consideration what-so-ever.

As mentioned by others, it should have been individual time trials for the top 100/reward, and gamer points/tokens for regular races.

Martin Alvito · Feb 21, 2007, 04:02 AM // 04:02

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Originally Posted by beetlebomb

Riceboi, don't you have an import you should be out tuning?

To defend Dark Sentry (I am directing this to you Martin Alvito) is just irresponsible. He had the #1 spot by a mile and obviously could not be satisfied with just measly number 1. Yes the two of you may have cracked the game but why couldn't you be satisfied with just one score?

You refer to this as "malicious behavior". How is competing like mad to post the best time malicious? I didn't make the rules for the ladder; I was utterly unconcerned with the fact that it permitted multiple entries. Please cast the blame for this where it belongs - on the people at Anet. Whether the ladder permitted multiple entries or not wasn't at issue. My motivation was never to push people off the ladder; it was to post THE BEST TIME IN THE WORLD.

What's wrong with that? As noted, who knew whether there was variance in what the top players would receive based on ladder position? (similar to recent GvG ladder seasons) Plus, if you *can* post a better score, generally you *should* post a better score. Particularly given the speed with which times were getting bumped off on the last day.

Martin Alvito · Feb 21, 2007, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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Originally Posted by Asrial

I find playing Rollerbeetle Racing alot more fun than playing Get The Top Spot.

*nods* The grind is pretty bad.

But the rush you get from posting that huge score...just wow.

creelie · Feb 21, 2007, 04:25 AM // 04:25

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Originally Posted by beetlebomb

Anet has expressed concern and understanding in the past of players seeking to buy money to stay competitive with the top tier of players in the game...

I take issue with this. Minis have ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT ON GAMEPLAY. There is ZERO competitive advantage to ANY rare graphic in this game, be it armor, weapons, special emotes, OR a miniature creature trundling around the screen.

It is my single favorite thing about Guild Wars - in every functional way, the cheap stuff is exactly equal to the bling. If that ever changed, I would be gone in a heartbeat.

So you weren't a top scorer in a competition and didn't get a nifty prize. Somebody call the waaambulance.

MoldyRiceFrenzy · Feb 21, 2007, 04:29 AM // 04:29

ya spent all weekend trying to get one lolz... nope for me though=(

o well, i got in the 60's alot of people sinc'ed(not cheating) just better advantage because less people trying to kd u from a screen away because they think they can beat u... lol.sry for the people i raged at lol xD